i'm sure many of you have been wondering why the wts has stuck to it's adamant viewpoint of higher education.
let's settle it once and for all.
this will prove conclusively why it's in young people's best interests to avoid higher education.. candace conti has inspired hundreds, perhaps thousands of young girls across america to successfully take on the wts.
Recovery- I stopped reading your thread almost immediately. However, I did read most of the comments.
You really are a MASTER BAITER! GET A GRIP and GO RECOVER YOURSELF somewhere else. BEGONE TROLL!
( This has been an unpaid warranted announcement from this JWN member!)
grandma is concerned about my spirituality, worried i don't use lingo like "faithful slave", "annointed elders", "waiting on jehovah, endure the bafflegabbing, prevaricating lying friends" .
"you speak too much about love, use jesus of nazareth's name too much!
you speak the way apostates speak!
Ziddina- you are so right.( You are really FOOSD!!!)
HMTB- Ziddina gave you really good advice. Maybe that will also calm Grandma down a little. It's worth a try.
LoL- Outlaw!
i invite king solomon and anyone else that is interested, to discuss if believing in god may be helpful.
i am not restricting the discussion to the biblical god.
i'm ready to look if this belief may be helpful both from a societal and from an individual point of view.
jgnat- this is a really good topic, but I cannot offer much. I will agree the " inherant lack of justice " in the world is one of the things that prompted me to search for God.
they've df him...we all were following the judicial of raypublisher....jwstruggle....eric and we all are now awaiting the full video with full details.. this is a happy but hard time since he still has family in...let's try to strengthen him!
he surely needs it now.
give him encouraging words/pictures/videos!.
RayPublisher, when all is said and done, you are a good man who set a good example for your wife, family and the congregation. I"m sure you will be able to cope with whatever comes your way. I wish you the BEST.
grandma is concerned about my spirituality, worried i don't use lingo like "faithful slave", "annointed elders", "waiting on jehovah, endure the bafflegabbing, prevaricating lying friends" .
"you speak too much about love, use jesus of nazareth's name too much!
you speak the way apostates speak!
HelpMeBelieve- Try to hang in there!!! Your Grandmother is just concerned for you. Remember, she IS under MIND CONTROL.
And eventhough, LWT is dead serious- you've gotta laugh- it IS TRUE!!!
Hi Z!!!!!!!!! Check out Flipper's Chapter 4 thread- http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/236717/1/Chapter-4-Hassans-New-Book-Evaluating-the-Situation#4483184
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Hi Quendi! Yes, they do shun, But the one thing they have, that JW's do not is "Rumspringer". ( sorry, didn't check the spelling)
So, when the Amish come of age, about 15 or 16, they are permitted to go out in the world and then decide for themselves if they want to follow the faith. JW born-ins, if they were to do the same, testing the waters (smoking, excessive drinking, getting high, association with worldly people, fornication, etc.) would be disfellowshippped.
in chapter 3 of the book hassan talks about the use of the strategic interactive approach to reach our relatives inside cults.
he admits that cult exiting techniques of years before were not successful such as interventions , deprogramming, exit counseling .
with the sia approach it emphasizes teamwork between family members and reaching the cult member through love and trust building rapport with them by accessing their authentic personality.. i picked chapter 4 to use in a thread as it goes into more detail than chapter 3 about techniques to use in reaching our cult family or friends.
At the end of Chapter 3, page 47, Hassan gives a sumary of the chapter, I thought this sentence at the beginning of his summary was worth repeating.
"Pay attention, ask questions, become an "active" listener. Your loved one will tell you what needs to happen for him to leave the group."
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Chapter 4 - building rapport with our cult family members.
This was a good chapter. And I was glad to see that I had already used some of these tools without having 1st read the book. So, hopefully, I am doing something right to help.
As long as the member knows that there are people on the outside who care about him, he will feel that he has a choice. Create positive, loving experiences for him.
Yes. I think it was mentioned that they need to see that you ARE happy and your personality is no longer a mask, a clone persona. I know that my pre-cult personality has been returning. I MISSED ME A LOT!!! ( Let me apologize to those on the receiving end of my slightly warped and corny sense of humor- it's been bottled up for a long time!)
Patiently show him alternative ways of living. For example, when Jehovah's Witnesses see that people who leave still believe in God, study the Bible, and lead moral lives, it is very persuasive. "
Hope so. But, at this point, my friends are so consumed with their responsibilities and preaching, there's very little time for anything else.
Hassan also mentions to remember and think of you cult relatives activities he enjoyed outside cult activity.
I suppose this is good advice for those who had family and friends pre-cult. Hassan points out a way to analyze the pre-cult personality of a family member (in my case-friends), by writing in a chronological outline. Consider their strengths and weaknesses and as you pointed out, Flipper, Hassan Places you used to live, or spend vacations. Think about activities he enjoyed, like sports, music, exercise, reading, or movies. And to use these as ways of sparking interest in your relatives.
I don't want to overstep my boundaries, Flipper, as it is your thread.
I would just like to point out, that prior to the BITE model, it was Margaret Singer who provided a list of 6 conditions of "thought reform"; wording, at the time they thought more appropriate to "brainwashing". (The wording "Social Influence" is the more appropriate used wording today, in lieu of "brainwashing"
Margaret Singer was a senior psychologist at Walter Reed Army Hospital who studied the effects of "thought reform"*.And she listed 6 conditions for thought reform:
1- Gain Control over a person's time, especially his thinking time and physical environment.
2-Create a sense of powerlessness, fear and dependency, while providing models that demonstrate the new, ideal behavior.
3- Manipulate rewards, punishments and experiences to suppress the recruits former social behavior and attitudes, including the use of altered states of consciousness to manipulate experience.
4- Manipulate rewards, punishments and experiences to elicit behavior and attitudes desired by leadership.
5- Create a tightly controlled system with a closed system of logic, wherein dissenter's feel their questioning indicates something is inherently wrong with them.
6- Keep recruits unaware and uninformed that there is an agenda to control or to change them. Thought-reform is impossible when a person is functioning at full capacity with informed consen
*Beginning on page 19, under the sub-heading: Mind Control Or Brainwashing it speaks about how captured Americans during the Korean war in the 1950's had confessed to fictional war crimes.Several military psychologists and psychiatrists started their research on "thought reform" as a preventative measure for future soldiers against brainwashing.
12/15/12 wt p. 15:.
"in a variation that some term 'embryo adoption,' the embryos placed in a wife's womb involve neither her eggs nor her husband's sperm.
in yet another variation, a married couple's eggs and sperm are fertilized outside the womb by ivf.
Oh, Sol, you are very playful these days! Yes, NC is very smart. I was just agreeing that I like her mind, as you like her mind.
Sol, I didn't hear NC complain.
MY words speak for themself!!! (LOL)
